When I Met Steve Kaufman, I Thought

Outside Is The World; It's There. Pop Art Looks Out Into The World.

But When I Worked On A Painting I Would Do It From A Drawing But I Would Put Certain Things I Was Fairly Sure I Wanted In The Painting, And Then Collage On The Painting With Printed Dots Or Painted Paper Or Something Before I Really Committed It.

Im Interested In What Would Normally Be Considered The Worst Aspects Of Commercial Art. I Think Its The Tension Between What Seems To Be So Rigid And Cliched And The Fact That Art Really Cant Be This Way.

We Like To Think Of Industrialization As Being Despicable. I Don't Really Know What To Make Of It. There’s Something Terribly Brittle About It. I Suppose I Would Still Prefer To Sit Under A Tree With A Picnic Basket Rather Than Under A Gas Pump, But Signs And Comic Strips Are Interesting As Subject Matter. There Are Certain Things That Are Usable, Forceful, And Vital About Commercial Art. We're Using Those Things – But We're Not Really Advocating Stupidity, International Teenagerism, And Terrorism.

We're Not Living In A School-of-paris World, You Know, And The Things We Really See In America Are Like This. It's Mcdonald's, It's Not Le Corbusier.